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Title: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on December 31, 2018, 09:08:33 PM
Moved my links to my blog for the work I'm doing on my 1965 220SEb from the "Introductions" forum.  I'll post links to the blog updates in this thread for those who might be following.

If you haven't been following, here's a link to the car's web page on my web site:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb.html)

Want to dive into the blog?  Here's the archive page so you can start a the beginning:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Archive.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Archive.html)

And if you have been following, today's blog post:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2018/12/31_In_The_Bag.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2018/12/31_In_The_Bag.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on January 01, 2019, 08:37:44 PM
Today's blog post:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/1_A_Day_of_Refinishing.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/1_A_Day_of_Refinishing.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on January 02, 2019, 09:05:08 PM
And despite work getting in the way of progress, I still got a few things done after I got home today:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/2_...must_come_to_an_end..html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/2_...must_come_to_an_end..html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: desertpagoda on January 04, 2019, 12:49:08 PM
Not a heckfloss, but a roundbody 220se that I am working on
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: Squiggle Dog on January 04, 2019, 12:54:29 PM
Not a heckfloss, but a roundbody 220se that I am working on

That's worth a pretty penny, and the Airstream trailer behind it isn't too shabby, either!
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: Squiggle Dog on January 04, 2019, 12:56:46 PM
And despite work getting in the way of progress, I still got a few things done after I got home today:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/2_...must_come_to_an_end..html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/2_...must_come_to_an_end..html)

Dan

It's very satisfying watching the progress. Too many of these cars just set around and are lucky to be kept in good enough condition to move under their own power. I can say from experience that a well-sorted-out fintail is very fun to drive and can be every bit as reliable as a new car. I only got rid of my daily driver fintail because it was very, very rusty and the engine was tired.
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: desertpagoda on January 04, 2019, 01:12:36 PM
That Airstream is a '62 Bambi. Im nearly done with it. I hope to sell the '59 220se to Europe. Just got the top done, car runs like a watch. 2 plunger injection is sweet!
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on January 04, 2019, 01:23:29 PM
I just love bringing these cars back to their original condition.  Most of the work is relatively simple, and doesn't require a lot of specialized tools or training (I am a formerly NIASE certified high line car mechanic, so working on these is a real treat!)  Paying attention to the details doesn't take a lot of effort, just time, but it make so much of a difference when it's all said and done.  I don't worry about making them concours quality, but I do try to maintain things as close to original as materials and budget permits.

I haven't driven the car much since I got it as I wanted to get a lot of the engine items sorted before I drove it much.  I've got a transmission fluid drain and fill scheduled this weekend, as my transmission cooler lines are arriving tomorrow, so that's good.  I really want to get the cooling system cleaned out and brought up to snuff, but I've got to get the FrigiKing unit out from under the dash so I can get to the (frozen, of course) heater valves and clean them up and replace their O rings.  I've got new hoses and a thermostat, too, so those will all get installed while I have the system drained.

Then when I can get some road time in with the car I'll get the differential drained and filled with fresh gear lube.  After that I need to take a look at a leaky rear brake cylinder.  Before the heat starts up again I want to get the AC working, too.

Give me a few weeks and I'll get there.

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: desertpagoda on January 04, 2019, 01:29:50 PM
Yep, and just a few dollars more!
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on January 04, 2019, 05:23:37 PM
Couldn't help myself....

Went out into the garage after I was done working today and dropped the FrigiKing out of the bottom of the dash.  It was only four self tapping screws!

Wow!  Did that open up a lot of space in the cabin!  Got at the heater valves.  Left side is moving, right side is not, both are corroded a bit as I expected they would be.  Made a trip to the local Ace Hardware and their aisle of "majik boxes" of hardware and found the bits I needed to make a puller to get the valve cores out.  I might go ahead and drain the cooling system tonight so it can drip overnight and then start in on cleaning up the heater valves in the morning.  After that I'll need to disconnect the AC lines and replace O rings on fittings.  I'm not sure I'm going to mess with replacing or rebuilding AC hoses at this point.  I've got a good hose company here in Tampa that can do it while I wait if I need to.  The low pressure line is just bulk hose with barbed fittings, so that's an easy one anyway.

This will push my transmission drain and fill back to Sunday, probably.

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: Squiggle Dog on January 04, 2019, 07:25:44 PM
Here's a thread I contributed to in case it helps with the heater valves: https://www.benzworld.org/forums/vintage-mercedes-benz/2964866-w111-1965-220sb-heat-exchanger-hose.html (https://www.benzworld.org/forums/vintage-mercedes-benz/2964866-w111-1965-220sb-heat-exchanger-hose.html)
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on January 04, 2019, 09:28:42 PM
Big help with the visualization in that thread. Thanks!

As I mentioned in my previous post, I've already gotten the hardware I need to make the puller.  One thing I did differently was to use a 4mm wing nut instead of a plain nut to do the pulling.  We'll see how well that works.  I figure if I can't generate enough torque with my fingers I can still turn the wing nut with a crescent wrench.

I've got a meter of the proper hose, so i'll replace the connecting hoses while I'm in there.  The ones that are currently there are definitely the originals with the little cotter pin "tuna can" arrangement.  I'll have to run out to my FLAPS and get some clamps as I know I don't have enough on hand for both hoses.

More as I know it.  Hopefully this will go well - wish me luck!

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on January 05, 2019, 07:33:13 PM
Today's finnie fun - heater valves!

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/5_We_Got_The_Heat.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/5_We_Got_The_Heat.html)

Enjoy!

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on January 06, 2019, 08:39:52 PM
From heat to cool - a great day progress-wise:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/6_A_Chill_in_the_Air.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/6_A_Chill_in_the_Air.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: Squiggle Dog on January 07, 2019, 12:08:50 AM
Wow, you even have the air conditioning working! It took me eight years to get the air conditioning working in my daily driver.
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on January 07, 2019, 06:28:03 AM
I knew the AC would be an easy win as long as everything was intact.

As I knew the system was empty, I checked the oil before I fired anything up. It had plenty.  None of the fittings were disturbed, so I didn't expect any issues there.  I wish I had a manifold gauge set or hoses that fit R12 fittings, as currently I just have an adapter that will fit the suction (low) side.  I can work with that, but it's nice to be able to see both sides of the system.

I was considering a Sanden compressor swap, but for now I'll leave well enough alone and run it as it's currently configured.  I was going to get the hoses rebuilt or replaced, but for now I'll leave everything alone and see how it does. The minute it stops working I'll tear it down and get everything done I had intended, mainly hose rebuild/replacement.

While I'm in no hurry for warm weather, I'm interested to see how good of a job the FrigiKing does in that greenhouse of a passenger cabin.

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: Squiggle Dog on January 07, 2019, 12:47:12 PM
While I'm in no hurry for warm weather, I'm interested to see how good of a job the FrigiKing does in that greenhouse of a passenger cabin.

I'm interested, too. My W116 300SD is running a Sanden with a 16X22" parallel-flow condenser and R-12 and it's super cold, probably better than a lot of new cars. The W111 has a narrower radiator opening, so there's not as much room for the condenser. I might end up using two parallel-flow condensers in a W111 (one in front of the other) and running them parallel so the hose splits into a Y and the refrigerant goes through both condensers at the same time, effectively doubling the surface area.
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on January 07, 2019, 12:57:24 PM
As long as you keep the original system intact and use R12 it should make ice cubes. Convert an R12 system to R134a and you need that parallel flow condenser to get the efficiency up to what it was with R12.

I’ve run the propane/butane based “environmentally friendly” refrigerants in these systems with good results.  The only thing you really have to do is change or rebuild the hoses to barrier style materials so you don’t get leakage through the hoses at the molecular level. When that occurs, the ratio of gases changes over time and the efficiency of the refrigerant drops off. At that point there is no fix short of evacuating and refilling with a fresh charge.

Dan

Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on January 09, 2019, 10:06:19 PM
Today's blog update - lots of little detail items.

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/9_Its_all_in_the_details.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/9_Its_all_in_the_details.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: Squiggle Dog on January 09, 2019, 10:17:10 PM
You can probably get a good used chrome mirror base fairly easily if you'd prefer one over a black one. I got a new piece of vacuum tubing for my roommate's car's distributor, but it was missing the ferrule, so I have to both figure out where to get one and also how to install it, but apparently it just squishes into shape when you tighten the compression nut?
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on January 09, 2019, 10:21:33 PM
You can probably get a good used chrome mirror base fairly easily if you'd prefer one over a black one. I got a new piece of vacuum tubing for my roommate's car's distributor, but it was missing the ferrule, so I have to both figure out where to get one and also how to install it, but apparently it just squishes into shape when you tighten the compression nut?

I'm perfectly happy with the redesigned black one.  It's a lot more substantial than the original.  And since I'll probably go with a black dash pad it's a nice accent.

Dealer part or aftermarket supplier.  Mercedes part number N003862004000.

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on January 13, 2019, 09:06:00 AM
Blog post for yesterday's work:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/12_Whats_the_Diff.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/12_Whats_the_Diff.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: tram on January 13, 2019, 02:42:24 PM
Dan- just FYI- lots of these rear ends leak because they are overfilled. Also, lots of them seem low when checked but aren't.

The reason for this is the angle of the dangle. When you are changing diff fluid the car really needs to be level and the rear wheels driven up on ramps- driven so they're not "kicked in" like they are when you just let the rear end down stationary off a jack.

The car needs to be level front to rear so you don't have a bunch of fluid "piled up" against the lower front (overfilled), and the rear wheels need to be at driving level so you aren't completely filling up dangling axles (overfilled).

By the same token, a car that actually has the proper amount of hypoid oil in the diff can SEEM way low when it's drained under the same conditions- dangling axles/ front end lower than the rear. In addition... you're leaving a lot of the old oil behind doing it with just the rear end up and/ or axles dangling.
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: tram on January 13, 2019, 02:43:05 PM
Really love the color, BTW. It seems to be coming out really nice! ;D
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on January 13, 2019, 03:27:54 PM
Thanks, tram!

I'll be checking it again this afternoon on level ground so that I can drain out any overfilled fluid if I did get too much in there....I did fill it with the suspension under load (on the wheels.)

The paint is probably a 10 footer.  It was repainted at some point in time in the past, and not that well, or it was done in sections.  Some of the doors are orange peeled and at the "break" on the sides there are a couple of places where it looks like its lifting because someone used that point as an edge.  I didn't get super aggressive with it when I detailed the finish since it wasn't the original.  Original single stage finishes can be seriously abused, but not knowing what the current layer of paint is like I chose to be gentle and avoid damage.

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on January 13, 2019, 09:22:43 PM
Today's blog update:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/13_Leatherique_Day!.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/13_Leatherique_Day!.html)

And since tram got me all worked up about possibly overfilling my differential (just kidding - thanks for the reminder, it's been 20 years since i've done one of these) I also opened up the differential fill plug while the car was level and loaded and let any excess gear old drain out. I got maybe 1/2 cup, so that's a good thing. Thanks, tram!

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: Evlkarl on January 14, 2019, 03:26:03 AM
Great to see it is moving along. I would love to have another toy to play with and bring it like new condition but when I think about how much money I blow over the years on all my Pontons Finnies and W114 Couple I probably could retire now.  ::) ::) Sadly it is not cheap anymore tackling any restoration project no matter what Brand you are interested in. :'( :'(

The link for the chrome parts that you just posted confirms what I was saying.

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Mercedes-W111-W112-Chrome-Hinten-A1117380322-0422-Zierstab-L-R-/264125630607?oid=263921704477
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on January 20, 2019, 10:13:58 AM
Update for yesterday:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/20_On_the_Shelf.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/20_On_the_Shelf.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on January 20, 2019, 06:39:34 PM
Update for today:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/20_Soap_and_Water.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/20_Soap_and_Water.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on January 23, 2019, 09:21:47 PM
No rest for the wicked:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/22_Dusty_Day.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/22_Dusty_Day.html)

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/23_Coolant_Day.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/23_Coolant_Day.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on January 31, 2019, 07:45:25 PM
Finally got some work done despite the cool temperatures:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/31_Not...Finished.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/1/31_Not...Finished.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on February 03, 2019, 09:32:17 AM
Blog post for yesterday's work:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/2/2_Trunk_Show.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/2/2_Trunk_Show.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on February 03, 2019, 08:48:16 PM
Tore out the dash  Not pleasant, but it had to be done.

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/2/3_Gotta_Dash.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/2/3_Gotta_Dash.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: Squiggle Dog on February 04, 2019, 01:16:11 AM
Captivating and informative as always. It seems like the factory used contact cement on the top of the dashboard metal between it and the pad. It took careful use of a scraper to get the nearly perfect brown dashboard pad removed from my 200D, and that was coming from a car that spent its life in the Pacific Northwest where the sun rarely comes out (the original headliner was still in perfect condition). I personally wouldn't want to glue the new pad on with contact cement unless it makes it less prone to warping.
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on February 04, 2019, 05:05:20 AM
That's interesting, as I had an exchange with Aaron and he suggested that glue or contact element was never used. I assumed that in my case the adhesion was due to the car's lengthy exposure to the Arizona sun that had caused the material to break down and fuse to the metal.

I will say that if there was glue used, it wasn't applied in a consistent manner nor in great quantities. Unless there's a glaring reason to do so, the replacement will not be glued.

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: Evlkarl on February 04, 2019, 04:06:07 PM
Nicely done as always. :)
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: tram on February 04, 2019, 04:32:17 PM
That's interesting, as I had an exchange with Aaron and he suggested that glue or contact element was never used. I assumed that in my case the adhesion was due to the car's lengthy exposure to the Arizona sun that had caused the material to break down and fuse to the metal.

I will say that if there was glue used, it wasn't applied in a consistent manner nor in great quantities. Unless there's a glaring reason to do so, the replacement will not be glued.

Dan

In all my years of restoring Finnies and W109s I've never seen a glued dash pad, but yes, I've seen many of them stuck. And I do mean STUCK! ;) I've seen a lot of "excellent used" ones split behind the cluster pod when they're installed, too- they need to be transferred almost right away or it seems they start shrinking after removal.
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on February 04, 2019, 05:41:40 PM
In all my years of restoring Finnies and W109s I've never seen a glued dash pad, but yes, I've seen many of them stuck. And I do mean STUCK! ;) I've seen a lot of "excellent used" ones split behind the cluster pod when they're installed, too- they need to be transferred almost right away or it seems they start shrinking after removal.

This pretty much confirms that it wasn't glue, in my opinion. The material (foam?) in the dash pad was broken down pretty badly, making me suspect that it just fused with the metal in places where it was in contact with it due to exposure to the elements.

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on February 04, 2019, 05:42:00 PM
Nicely done as always. :)

Thank you!

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on February 08, 2019, 06:27:08 PM
A funny story:

Today I drove the 220SEb to work and then on to my headliner guy's shop so he could survey it in anticipation of doing the headliner and related items early next month. It's a roughly 20 mile drive one way to work, half on surface streets and the other half on a reversible toll road with limited access/highway speeds (65 mph.) It's a combination of the two over to the headliner shop of about 10 miles, making the return back to the house much the same of about 30 miles for a total of about 60 miles round trip.

We've all been in my shoes - a relatively new (to you) unproven car, taking it out on the road, listening to every noise, vibration, hum, whatever, riding on the edge just waiting for something (bad) to happen. You hear something and start to freak out....

Drive to work - uneventful maybe even fun. The toll road is a reversible with three lanes, no access for roughly 11 miles. Very nice road surface, new and smooth as glass. The car ran flawlessly, in fact, it found a sweet spot in the upper 60s that made it sound great and was really tracking and handling quite nicely, considering that I am in serious need of new front springs. Cool. Got to work without an issue. Whew!

Drive to headliner shop - interstate and city streets, busy but the car did well again. Not a problem.

Drive home, mostly interstate except for the last 10 miles or so, which is surface streets. Again, ran well, no problems. Even fired up the FrigiKing since it was nearly 80 and got some ice cubes running - well, plenty of cold air. About a mile from home I was turning through an intersection and it sounded like I ran over something small in the road. Hmm. No problem, car was running fine. Probably a big rock or some piece of junk I didn't see.

Pull into the garage. Need to straighten out the car a bit, so I put it in reverse. It continues to creep forward. Hmm. Put it in neutral. Creeps forward. OK, I'll just leave it here and I'll park the wife's SL500 so she doesn't bang the door into my car, since it was encroaching into her space a little.

Get down on my hands and knees and take a look under the car. This is what I saw (see below - look at the very center of the picture.)






Yup. Transmission linkage bushing failed. Got a couple on their way from the MB warehouse in Jacksonville. I totally trust this car now.

Dan

Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: Squiggle Dog on February 08, 2019, 08:30:08 PM
A-ha, the dreaded linkage bushing! What great timing for it to go out.
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on February 08, 2019, 08:37:56 PM
Yeah, really. The car was watching out for me.....

What's funny is that I swear I checked the bushing when I first got the car, because I know these have a tendency to fail as they age. I can only assume it was really brittle and the banging around on the road must have done it in. Otherwise, the car performed quite well.

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on February 10, 2019, 04:34:09 PM
Started on the finish coat for my dash/door/windshield wood pieces today as the weather has cooperated pretty well. The windshield pieces are taking longer to dry than the others, but I'm working on a second coat on everything so far. I may be able to get more done tomorrow, hopefully. I figure to get the level of finish I am looking for I'll end up with about 5-6 coats of clear varnish on everything, if not more. The grain is really coming through on the lower windshield pieces, so those might end up with more to level everything off. The door window surrounds should be fine, as they're pretty flat with almost no grain to speak of. Same with the windshield surrounds.

First coat gets a 320 grit sanding before being recoated, next coat will get 400, then I'll start in with 1000 or 1200 until I get a level of gloss I'm happy with.

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on February 11, 2019, 08:08:08 PM
Getting caught up from the last week or so of work:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/2/11_Carapalooza!.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/2/11_Carapalooza!.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on February 13, 2019, 06:15:53 PM
Midweek musings:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/2/13_Midweek_Musings.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/2/13_Midweek_Musings.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on February 19, 2019, 08:37:14 PM
Got some work done today. Fun!

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/2/19_Overriding_Fun.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/2/19_Overriding_Fun.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on February 22, 2019, 08:47:22 PM
More stuff done this week, looking forward to a big weekend....

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/2/22_No_Junk_in_this_Trunk.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/2/22_No_Junk_in_this_Trunk.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on February 23, 2019, 08:59:03 PM
Yup, no rest for the wicked. Got the trunk cleaned out in preparation for some POR-15 and some more trim work done.

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/2/23_No_Junk_in_this_Trunk_Part_2.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/2/23_No_Junk_in_this_Trunk_Part_2.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: Squiggle Dog on February 24, 2019, 01:20:51 AM
I've had good success using rust converter such as Rust Doctor or Corroseal on rusted areas, as it turns the rust black so it blends in with the black paint and keeps it from rusting further. I was also able to darken up faded taillight lenses by using a headlight polishing kit.
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on February 26, 2019, 03:55:55 PM
Another day (or two) and more progress:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/2/26_Its_Windlace%2C_not_Windlass.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/2/26_Its_Windlace%2C_not_Windlass.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on March 02, 2019, 09:17:30 PM
The fun just never ends...

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/3/2_Another_Detail_Day.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/3/2_Another_Detail_Day.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: drew56cus on March 03, 2019, 05:45:38 AM
Nice work Dan.
I am glad you did not make my mistake with the mirror - I got my dented and pitted mirror housing straightened and rechromed (or repolished, i can't remember). Then I put the glass back in, fighting with the spring and the seal. I finally got it in and felt happy. Until i looked at the back of the mirror and saw my fingers had dented the mirror body again! D'oh! They remain dented, i just ignore them...
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on March 03, 2019, 06:49:38 AM
Nice work Dan.
I am glad you did not make my mistake with the mirror - I got my dented and pitted mirror housing straightened and rechromed (or repolished, i can't remember). Then I put the glass back in, fighting with the spring and the seal. I finally got it in and felt happy. Until i looked at the back of the mirror and saw my fingers had dented the mirror body again! D'oh! They remain dented, i just ignore them...

The metal on these is pretty thin as you no doubt discovered, and as is often the case, owners will reach out and grab the housing and attempt to turn or adjust it to a position that it's not capable of. This distorts the housing around the pivot point. which is near impossible to correct. Mine had some distortion but it wasn't bad, so I took a clean shop towel, placed it over a 36mm socket, placed the dimple of the mirror housing over the opening in the socket and used a hammer with a rubber face to gently peen it back into as close to the original shape as possible.

I was seriously considering a reproduction housing, which is only about $35 with glass and retainer, as the new glass and retainer were about $25. In hindsight, that really would have been the way to go....
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on March 10, 2019, 09:13:39 AM
Despite playing home health aide for the next few weeks with the wife's hip replacement surgery, I got some work on windlace done yesterday:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/3/9_Sew_Far%2C_Sew_Good.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/3/9_Sew_Far%2C_Sew_Good.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on March 10, 2019, 10:22:33 PM
Been dyeing to do this:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/3/10_Dyeing_to_Do_This.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/3/10_Dyeing_to_Do_This.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on March 14, 2019, 10:01:57 PM
Good and bad day, sort of...

Picked up the car after getting the headliner and windshield/rear window seals done. It looks fantastic, and the new seals really did a lot to clean up the lines, too. There was a masking line where the car had been painted around the windshield, and lucky for me the old seal was still in place at the time. My headliner and glass guys cleaned the opening up and the new seal completely covers the masking line, which is a nice bonus.

So the bad news....

A couple blocks from home I stop at a stop sign. The engine dies. Poop! Won't start, just cranks. I notice that I can't hear the fuel pump running.

One of my boys comes with his car and tows me back to the house. Get the car in the garage, crawl underneath and listen for the fuel pump. Nothing. Tap on it a few times and it starts running, albeit slowly, and in fits and starts. I had other obligations I had to deal with this evening, so first thing in the morning I'll be out in the garage and dropping the pump so I can figure out what's made it unhappy. This slows down my interior reassembly a little but not much....

And on the good side not only did my headliner and seals get done, even though the car crapped out on me it was only a couple blocks from home. There's always a silver lining....

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on March 15, 2019, 09:53:18 PM
Nearly got the whole dash back together today after determining the fuel pump was DOA and can't be repaired. If it's not one thing, it's another....

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/3/15_Getting_Ahead(liner).html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/3/15_Getting_Ahead(liner).html)

Hope to get it all back together tomorrow. I'm really pleased with it so far, can't wait to get the rest of the wood trim installed.

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: Squiggle Dog on March 15, 2019, 11:38:39 PM
This is looking good!
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on March 17, 2019, 07:41:41 PM
Look at it now! Dash and front of the cabin pretty much complete!

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/3/17_Dig_my_new_pad!.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/3/17_Dig_my_new_pad!.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on March 23, 2019, 08:48:12 PM
Getting more done on the interior today:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/3/23_Shhhhh!.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/3/23_Shhhhh!.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on March 25, 2019, 12:36:25 PM
Score!!!

Just snagged this TDM for my 220SEb:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-Technical-Data-Spec-manual-1966-covers-1964-1965-1966-models/143177375551?_trkparms=ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140109134348%26meid%3Dcbf0686bc3724a41ab54b5c9fdf52124%26pid%3D100042%26%26itm%3D143177375551&_trksid=p5713.c100042.m2062 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-Technical-Data-Spec-manual-1966-covers-1964-1965-1966-models/143177375551?_trkparms=ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140109134348%26meid%3Dcbf0686bc3724a41ab54b5c9fdf52124%26pid%3D100042%26%26itm%3D143177375551&_trksid=p5713.c100042.m2062)

Nice!

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on March 25, 2019, 03:04:11 PM
Got some sill mats, a door cleaned up and a door check lubed, rear seat installed:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/3/24_Be_Seated.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/3/24_Be_Seated.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: tram on March 25, 2019, 09:07:32 PM
Beautiful!

As far as the staining goes... go to World Upholstery and order vinyl dye in a spray can that matches your interior color code:
http://worlduph.com/others/dye/

I've used these extensively- and they ARE an EXACT match.

Get a can of the cleaner/ prep and use that first after a good scrubbing, then spray your dye. Take your time. I've been able to restore interiors and even change color in a pinch with this stuff- Yes, it's expensive... but cheaper than the alternative and looks just as good. I've touched up stains on seats with it as well. No problems with it coming off or wearing through with the proper prep.
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: Squiggle Dog on March 26, 2019, 02:49:48 PM
I'm really impressed by the progress on this car. I'm looking forward to some good pictures of the interior and exterior of the vehicle after you've got all the work completed.
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on March 29, 2019, 03:07:05 PM
Two updates:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/3/26_Light_at_the_End_of_the_Tunnel.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/3/26_Light_at_the_End_of_the_Tunnel.html)

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/3/28_Mufflered.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/3/28_Mufflered.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on April 08, 2019, 11:28:51 AM
Have the day off so I figured I should do some work on the car after being away for a week:

Here's what I've done so far:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/4/8_Proper_Compensation.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/4/8_Proper_Compensation.html)

Going over to the dealer to pick up my steering wheel next...

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: Squiggle Dog on April 08, 2019, 04:29:12 PM
Haha, that was creative. I'd say it was a risky way of doing it, but the last time I removed one of these, all I did was lift up the rear of the car, undid the bolts that hold on the bracket, and then watched the spring fly out with a "BANG!"
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on April 10, 2019, 08:06:14 PM
Haha, that was creative. I'd say it was a risky way of doing it, but the last time I removed one of these, all I did was lift up the rear of the car, undid the bolts that hold on the bracket, and then watched the spring fly out with a "BANG!"

While the compensating spring on the rear is nowhere near as powerful as a suspension spring, I've seen the damage they can do when their stored energy is released. I'm not about to let a spring go nuts under my car in close proximity to things like a fuel tank and brake lines. There were far more tie wraps than necessary, so I wasn't worried about it letting go. When I was finished I dropped the old spring into the trash can still tied up. A nice present for the landfill. Let's call it "Spring Surprise".

https://youtu.be/puNT08o6jyE (https://youtu.be/puNT08o6jyE)

Anyway, I got the steering column top end all sorted tonight in preparation for the installation of the new steering wheel:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/4/10_Free_Wheeling.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/4/10_Free_Wheeling.html)

Shifter is nice and tight and upper bearing all clean and repacked with fresh grease.

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on April 11, 2019, 06:55:50 PM
New steering wheel installed along with the from passenger door check:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/4/11_A_Wheely_Great_Day!.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/4/11_A_Wheely_Great_Day!.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: Squiggle Dog on April 11, 2019, 09:23:41 PM
The steering wheel is amazing. I like the detail work like painting the door check straps to match.
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on April 12, 2019, 04:14:48 AM
The steering wheel is amazing. I like the detail work like painting the door check straps to match.

I just had to paint the door checks. There's nothing glaringly obvious that they've been replaced than seeing the cadmium plated strap of a new part.....

Interestingly, the steering wheel is a slightly different design than the original. The wheel itself is "fatter" in the sense that the diameter of the material is larger by a few millimeters. There's also two small relief grooves around the circumference of it on the front side, where the original has no grooves. You would never know this if you didn't have both to compare.

I'm still planning on restoring my original steering wheel. At least now I can put it aside and do it later.

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: Squiggle Dog on April 12, 2019, 10:36:52 AM
I just had to paint the door checks. There's nothing glaringly obvious that they've been replaced than seeing the cadmium plated strap of a new part.....

Interestingly, the steering wheel is a slightly different design than the original. The wheel itself is "fatter" in the sense that the diameter of the material is larger by a few millimeters. There's also two small relief grooves around the circumference of it on the front side, where the original has no grooves. You would never know this if you didn't have both to compare.

I'm still planning on restoring my original steering wheel. At least now I can put it aside and do it later.

Dan

It looks like you purchased a 1966-1967 steering wheel, which was slightly thicker than the previous version and had the two grooves. The steering wheel your car was made with is part number 112 460 01 03 and was available from 1959-1965, and then in 1966 they went to the type you recently installed (112 460 05 03). At least you have the half-moon shaped horn ring which was standard on the 1966-1967 wheel--I think it appeared mid-1965 to replace the full circle type.
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on April 12, 2019, 10:43:06 AM
Interesting, thanks for the background on this. It looks like the old steering wheel superseded to the later wheel in the EPC.

I like the older wheel better, as it’s a bit thinner than the later one.

So much for cosmetics - I’m doing the front springs and sway bar bushings this weekend. Back to the physical stuff for the near future....

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: Squiggle Dog on April 12, 2019, 11:40:27 AM
EPC shows part number 112 460 01 03 ($1,040 MSRP, $706.80 from online dealership) as valid for up to chassis 078952, and 112 460 05 03 ($1,070 MSRP, $368 from online dealership) as valid from 078953.
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on April 13, 2019, 07:13:42 PM
Spring has sprung! Replaced the front springs and sway bar bushings today!

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/4/13_Spring_Has_Sprung!.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/4/13_Spring_Has_Sprung!.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on April 14, 2019, 07:06:18 AM
Spent about half an hour this morning flipping the sway bar over so it's in the proper position....thank goodness for taking pictures of everything I do. Bushings sure went in a lot easier this time...

Drove the car and it's like a different vehicle. With the front suspension properly set up it's pretty amazing. The left front was about 2" low when I got it. Now it sits up like it should and it's even across both sides.

Next major job will be tearing into the driveshaft to replace the center bearing, replace the pinion seal, rear springs and a lot of the rubber bits back there. I'm going to schedule that for next month. Meantime I'll take care of some cosmetic stuff.

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on April 17, 2019, 04:09:41 PM
Sunday's update!

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/4/14_Sunday_%3D_Fun_Day.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/4/14_Sunday_%3D_Fun_Day.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on April 20, 2019, 09:17:52 PM
Had time to replace a leaking rear wheel brake cylinder today:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/4/20_Give_Me_a_Brake.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/4/20_Give_Me_a_Brake.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on April 23, 2019, 07:27:42 PM
Getting my Zoll on today:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/4/23_A_Date_for_Plates.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/4/23_A_Date_for_Plates.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on April 26, 2019, 07:33:10 PM
Replaced center bearing and carrier on the driveshaft today. Trying to figure out how to proceed to get to the pinion seal - buy the "pin wrench" or fabricate one of my own...

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/4/26_I_Got_the_Shaft.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/4/26_I_Got_the_Shaft.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on May 05, 2019, 07:36:21 PM
Not that anyone will notice, since it seems like this place has died a very quiet death, I replaced a leaky pinion seal and all of the rubber bits on the rear axle:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/5/4_Rear_Complete!.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/5/4_Rear_Complete!.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: Squiggle Dog on May 05, 2019, 08:02:23 PM
Pretty fascinating. I'm doing the same thing (sealing up differential and pressing on driveshaft center bearing) on a W116. It's similar in some ways and very different in others. If only the cars we buy would have the same attention done and it all documented in a blog like this.
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on May 05, 2019, 09:33:18 PM
Pretty fascinating. I'm doing the same thing (sealing up differential and pressing on driveshaft center bearing) on a W116. It's similar in some ways and very different in others. If only the cars we buy would have the same attention done and it all documented in a blog like this.

Probably the most fulfilling part of doing this was discovering that I didn't have to drop the rear axle to remove the support arm, despite several people telling me it couldn't be done in-frame.  Apparently that's not the case, as I had no problem doing it whatsoever.

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: Squiggle Dog on May 05, 2019, 10:08:47 PM
Probably the most fulfilling part of doing this was discovering that I didn't have to drop the rear axle to remove the support arm, despite several people telling me it couldn't be done in-frame.  Apparently that's not the case, as I had no problem doing it whatsoever.

Dan

I've been there. One example was people telling me it was impossible to replace the front crank seal without removing the radiator. I showed them.
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on May 12, 2019, 03:13:24 PM
A little work done this past week:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/5/10_Its_In_The_Cards.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/5/10_Its_In_The_Cards.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: Squiggle Dog on May 12, 2019, 05:12:23 PM
It's good that you replaced the plastic sheets over the holes in the door. It's also brave of you to replace the door card material. While the old card can usually be flattened out to some extent, having new perfectly flat ones will be nice.
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: drew56cus on June 05, 2019, 02:21:32 PM
Hi Dan, nice work as usual.
Some questions about the job on the rear end please:
- To get the 'rhino horn'/central support arm off (and the tip of it out of the trunk), did you have to lower the whole assembly down, but without removing the trailing arms and springs? If so, did the diff drop right down to its max limit of travel at the bottom, or did the transverse centre spring stop it from doing this? Did you use a jack under the main body of the diff to control the height?
   - I ask as i got told to never let the rear end sag in the middle with its axle tubes up as high as possible with load on them, as it could damage something called the sliding joint. But the rearws are so heavy, i have never figured out how to avoid it. I have swapped a few rear ends out, but have never seemed to have damaged anything.
- With the centering rod, did you have trouble getting the new bushes on the end where it joins the body? I found that the new ones that were so thick compared to the old compressed ones, that i couldn't get enough threaded rod through the mount on the body to tighten it up. You mention it, but don't say how you solved it - or did jacking up the diff do it?  I frigged around with clamps and really struggled. i can't even remember how i succeeded in the end - perhaps i have erased my memory, like women do with the pain of childbirth?! So do you have any tips for that part of the job?
- what is "Mercedes black sealant"? Any pictures, and where did you get it? Is there a generic equivalent?
I see you want to change the bushes on the trailing arms. That can be a bugger too, getting the front on over the mounting point on the car without popping the new bush out of the trailing arm. Sometimes it has gone easy for me, other times i have taken a whole day and needed a mate to help. Good luck with it. Considering you still have to do this, apart from the extra work to take the brake hoses off and bleed brakes, do you not think it would have been easier to pull the whole rear end out and do everything without lying under the car?

Cheers, Drew in Oz
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on June 11, 2019, 05:13:25 PM
I'm baaaack!

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/6/11_Im_Baaaack!.html

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: Squiggle Dog on June 11, 2019, 10:14:29 PM
That radio looks great in there!
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on June 12, 2019, 05:32:29 AM
Thanks!

I was really struggling with what to do radio-wise. Finding a working Becker or other brand that is period correct is getting to be pretty expensive these days. Luckily, I found this one for cheap from a BW forum member who had listed it for sale some months ago with no takers. No faceplate, which was an issue, so I camped out on eBay and lucked into someone selling the correct faceplate for $30. To give you an idea, they normally sell from Becker for around $150 or more, and that doesn’t include the hardware.

I had a bag of hardware from the original Blaupunkt that was in the car, so again, I lucked out in that regard. Only thing I had to pop for was one chrome shaft nut from Becker - $25.

The real kicker was when I first set it up and got nothing out of it. Darn!! And then I realized it was a tube radio and had to warm up…2-3 minutes powered up and it was making noise. Whew!

-D
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on June 12, 2019, 05:44:58 AM
Hi Dan, nice work as usual.
Some questions about the job on the rear end please:
- To get the 'rhino horn'/central support arm off (and the tip of it out of the trunk), did you have to lower the whole assembly down, but without removing the trailing arms and springs? If so, did the diff drop right down to its max limit of travel at the bottom, or did the transverse centre spring stop it from doing this? Did you use a jack under the main body of the diff to control the height?
   - I ask as i got told to never let the rear end sag in the middle with its axle tubes up as high as possible with load on them, as it could damage something called the sliding joint. But the rearws are so heavy, i have never figured out how to avoid it. I have swapped a few rear ends out, but have never seemed to have damaged anything.
- With the centering rod, did you have trouble getting the new bushes on the end where it joins the body? I found that the new ones that were so thick compared to the old compressed ones, that i couldn't get enough threaded rod through the mount on the body to tighten it up. You mention it, but don't say how you solved it - or did jacking up the diff do it?  I frigged around with clamps and really struggled. i can't even remember how i succeeded in the end - perhaps i have erased my memory, like women do with the pain of childbirth?! So do you have any tips for that part of the job?
- what is "Mercedes black sealant"? Any pictures, and where did you get it? Is there a generic equivalent?
I see you want to change the bushes on the trailing arms. That can be a bugger too, getting the front on over the mounting point on the car without popping the new bush out of the trailing arm. Sometimes it has gone easy for me, other times i have taken a whole day and needed a mate to help. Good luck with it. Considering you still have to do this, apart from the extra work to take the brake hoses off and bleed brakes, do you not think it would have been easier to pull the whole rear end out and do everything without lying under the car?

Cheers, Drew in Oz

Sorry, Drew, just saw your questions...

Yes, I did lower the differential down as far as it would go without removing the springs or trailing arms. And I used a floor jack to support it the whole time. I was surprised when I started moving the support amor around that it had enough range of movement to come off of the pivot rod. No doubt much of this was due to not only the lowering of th differential, but the rubber bushing having been removed.

I didn't change any of the positions of the nuts on the centering rod, so when I placed the new bushings on it I found that the rod barely projected beyond the top of the outer bushing, and even then the threaded potion wasn't exposed. I used my floor jack to raise the differential and apply some pressure to the centering rod and bushings, exposing enough of the threads to get the nut started with the metal cup in place.  Once started, it was a simple matter of tightening the nut to the original position and compressing the bushings.

The Mercedes black sealant is part number 003-989-98-20-10 and is the equivalent to Loctite 5970, I believe. Mercedes uses it for just about every metal to metal application. It does need time to set up or "skin", so you can't be in a hurry to use it.

When I first got the car I changed the swing arm bushing at the body on the left side. It wasn't hard to do, but did require some assistance to get everything lined up and in position to reassemble it. At the time I hadn't considered replacing all the rear axle/suspension rubber bits, only this one, as it was in pretty bad shape. If I wasn't concerned about opening up a big can of worms by messing with my brake lines or being very limited in the space I have to work in, I would have dropped the whole rear axle to do the work. It wasn't as bad as I expected, but would certainly have been easier to do out of the car, without question.

Hope this helps.

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: drew56cus on June 15, 2019, 04:02:35 AM
Thanks for the reply Dan.
I got this gizmo turned up to make it easier to get the front of the trailing arms fitted up. It has a threaded hole in the bottom that I screw onto the body, then lube it up, and it helps the rubber slip up and onto the mounting point without coming out of the trailing arm.

Cheers, Drew
Not sure if the pic attached... Not sure how to do it either!
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on June 25, 2019, 05:43:40 PM
That's pretty slick, Drew. Wish I had one of those when I did my rear swing arm bushings...

But they're done, as is all of the body and suspension rubber I'm replacing on this car. Finally!

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/6/25_Back_in_the_Swing_of_Things.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/6/25_Back_in_the_Swing_of_Things.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on June 30, 2019, 10:24:47 AM
New firewall pad installed.

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/6/30_Up_Against_a_Wall.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/6/30_Up_Against_a_Wall.html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: Squiggle Dog on June 30, 2019, 03:00:30 PM
That's one of those things that makes a big improvement in appearance. I'm sure the previous owner would be amazed at the progress you've made.
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on June 30, 2019, 04:25:00 PM
They are. They follow the blog pretty closely, as I still hear from them occasionally.

The woman that owned the car is pretty old, and I suspect may be suffering some of the ravages of aging. I set up a phone call with her on several occasions via her son in law, who sold the car, and each time they've backed out before we were able to do it. The son in law hasn't said anything directly, but has implied that mom in law's memory isn't great and it's unlikely that she'll have anything of significance to add to the background on the car.

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on July 28, 2019, 08:17:13 AM
Updates to the blog, probably the last for a while….

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/7/14_Rock(er)_and_Roll.html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/7/14_Rock(er)_and_Roll.html)

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/7/28_The_End_of_the_Road....html (http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/7/28_The_End_of_the_Road....html)

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: Squiggle Dog on August 02, 2019, 06:19:01 PM
You've accomplished a lot with that vehicle and it should give you and others who see it plenty of enjoyment for years to come. Thanks for keeping us updated on the progress.
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on August 02, 2019, 07:42:34 PM
Yeah, it's wiped me out. I purposely went at it like a crazy person, as the latter half of this year has a lot of obligations in it that won't allow me anywhere near the time I've spent on it up to now.

Dan
Title: Re: W111 1965 220SEb "Restoration" Project
Post by: LWB250 on September 17, 2019, 06:13:52 PM
The finnie began it's journey back to the Fatherland today.

The transporter came to pick it up this afternoon to take it to the Port of Ft. Lauderdale to be prepared for ocean shipment. It was fun while it lasted and I'm sure it will be happy going back to Germany.

On to the next project after a short breather...